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Post #587 • July 22, 2005, 3:43 PM • 45 Comments

The Daily Show, again.

Also, this just in - Susan Buzzi was fired after ten years of service to the Broward Art Guild following her recent appearance (and subsequent mauling) on the Daily Show. (Via Dan via MAN.) "[Board member Kate] Barnett added that most of the executive board is made up of new members looking to replace Buzzi so they can have more control," revealing the brutal internecine conflict to command the massive cultural heritage that is the Broward Art Guild.

(I know, I said I was going to do a show review. Next week.)

Comment

1.

Jack

July 22, 2005, 4:07 PM

What is this "Daily Show"? It's been mentioned here before, so I assume it's something most people know about, but unlike most people, I don't watch TV (not any, not at any time or for any reason, unless something like Hurricane Andrew were imminent and I had to watch to get indispensable breaking news).

2.

Franklin

July 22, 2005, 4:13 PM

From the about page:

One anchor, five correspondents, zero credibility.

If you're tired of the stodginess of the evening newscasts, if you can't bear to sit through the spinmeisters and shills on the 24-hour cable news networks, don't miss The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, a nightly half-hour series unburdened by objectivity, journalistic integrity or even accuracy.

The Emmy and Peabody Award-winning Daily Show takes a reality-based look at news, trends, pop culture, current events, politics, sports and entertainment with an alternative point of view. In each show anchorman Jon Stewart and a team of correspondents, including Stephen Colbert, Robert Corddry, Ed Helms and Samantha Bee and Lewis Black, comment on the day's stories, employing actual news footage, taped field pieces, in-studio guests and on-the-spot coverage of important news events.

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - it's even better than being informed.

3.

alesh

July 22, 2005, 4:22 PM

The Daily Show is a news parody, which somehow does a passable job of delivering the actual news while being the funniest thing on TV (now that Dave Chapelle is gone).

I think Franklin is being sarcastic with the "massive cultural heritage" bit. Wasn't BAG responsible for that horrible fiasco that was the Hort?

4.

Franklin

July 22, 2005, 4:25 PM

Franklin is indeed being sarcastic.

5.

Hovig

July 22, 2005, 4:47 PM

I thought the most controversial part of the video clip would be something said about Iraq policy, but little did I expect John Stewart's last few words. Whoa. 40 or 50 years ago those would have been fightin' words in some parts of Greenwich Village. (The "abstract expressionists" part begins at 3:15, only lasts a few seconds).

6.

oldpro

July 22, 2005, 6:44 PM

None of this stuff works on my computer so it is all just confusion to me.

I would rather read about accountants that about arts organizations anyway. If there could be such a thing as a real-life oxymoron, "arts organization" would be it.

7.

Elizabeth

July 22, 2005, 7:37 PM

OldPro....just watch the show, its good for a few laughs! the interview with the gay guy who drew Bush being "made love to" by an arab is funny.

8.

that guy

July 22, 2005, 7:38 PM

John Stewart will be on Fresh Air tonight at 8 p.m. on wlrn.

9.

Elizabeth

July 22, 2005, 7:48 PM

btw; when does Hurricane Franklin hit and how big is he??

10.

oldpro

July 22, 2005, 8:27 PM

Tropical Storm Framklin is wandering off toward Bermuda, Elizabeth. I cant watch the stuff on my computer because for some reason it won't work, like much else.

I caught the beginning of Jon Stewart on LRN, Guy, so at least I know what the Daily show is. Sounds pretty funny. There is just too much to see, read, listen to, do etc etc to be able to tune in to these things but it is interesting how the internet is synergizing and energizing all kinds of things.

11.

ahab

July 22, 2005, 8:35 PM

Susan Buzzi came across as incoherent and incompetent in the "Controversy" interview. Literally laughable.

Often on Daily Show segments I feel bad for the interviewees, who are obviously painfully unaware of the sardonic nature of the program. No pity here for the dupes in the DS's "Controversy" segment. They were ducks, sitting there thinking they were smart enough to get away with their specious artistic statements. Not that I'm sure they realized that they had no clothes on. "If I can't see you, you can't see me" they seemed to be saying in unison, like children with their hands over their eyes. Cliche, truistic lame-o's who only deserve mixed metaphors and cliches in response.

But any committee worth its salt always has the last laugh, especially when they don't think it's very funny.

12.

Elizabeth

July 22, 2005, 9:27 PM

OldPro; good to hear its going .......get around to making time for this show...its one of the verrrrrrry few I watch or try to on a regular basis.....its funny sarcastic and sometimes brutal as Ahab has stated and I couldnt agree more with how sorry you feel for them during those take no prisoners interviews.
That segment was torture to watch ....dont u agree Ahab? for the entire artistic community.......they were foolish and incoherant and this was just terrible PR for that organization......no wonder they freaked on Buzzi...she wasnt impressive....after that debacle, I would have fired her ass!!

13.

ahab

July 22, 2005, 9:28 PM

It hurt my feelings.

14.

oldpro

July 22, 2005, 9:31 PM

Man, I gotta see this. When I try to open it it gives me a window saying to "check the path and file name" and of course I have no idea what that means. Does it not work on a Mac?

15.

Elizabeth

July 22, 2005, 9:36 PM

So...........artists do have feelings.....who knew hahaha

16.

ahab

July 22, 2005, 9:38 PM

Sorry oldpro. I can barely operate the turning on and off of my own computer. If only it was more like a bicycle.

17.

oldpro

July 22, 2005, 9:39 PM

I checked it out. I can't get it on what i am using. I wiull have to get it on another computer tomorrow.

Damn! You mean they really made a public fool of some art world idiot? I can't wait to see it!

Shall we sent them a list?

18.

ahab

July 22, 2005, 9:47 PM

My feelings (read: ego) have been wounded many times while spending time on this blog. I used to mock Ms Quoted for spending so much time with her "little web friends." I had no idea that virtual, digital communication would be something I would find valuable, much less gratifying. She has had her comeuppance.

Still haven't figured out whether I think it is an adequate substitute for having face to face interaction with other thinking people, though. I mean, time spent in conversation over a couple of cups of wicked coffee, how can that be beat?

19.

Elizabeth

July 22, 2005, 10:04 PM

Ahab ; thats all true....but we are different cities and I like to think that this machine facilitated finding and speaking to some really good people.
Nothing beats a great cup of coffee though and a good laugh with friends!
OldPro; so is dinner on, lets invite Matty and Ahab ?? and yes make a list and send it to Jon Stewart. hahaha

20.

ahab

July 22, 2005, 10:12 PM

Franklin, have we looked at the subject abstractly enough yet or must we go on?

21.

Franklin

July 22, 2005, 10:53 PM

Oldpro, you might try downloading Windows Media Player for the Mac if you haven't yet. That might be the issue. I'd almost rather get a root canal than use Microsoft Anything, but it's worth it for this.

Ahab, I'm totally taking a raincheck on that coffee. One day, man.

22.

ms quoted

July 22, 2005, 11:00 PM

I want a coffee!

23.

Cynthia

July 22, 2005, 11:54 PM

Just heard about Tropical Storm Franklin. Figured you had to have something to do with it. Guess I was right.

Have a good weekend, buddy.

24.

oldpro

July 23, 2005, 12:40 AM

I have the media player but I am still using OS 9 and it won't play on that. I got plenty other computers I can try tomorrow. Thanks.

25.

Jerome du Bois

July 23, 2005, 5:41 PM

To All:

I'm just wondering how many commenters here on this blog would risk their job, like this stinking idiot woman did, to display an artwork in which the present President of the United States is sodomized?

I thought so. Some of you are teachers at state-run universities, aren't you?

Not that Franklin is running a political blog or anything.

By the way, think you'll get your grant, man?

And, oldpro, your computer problems could be solved for probably $500 at the most, which even I, neither a professor or a renowned artist, could afford, but you have to grunt and groan like grandpa on the blog about OS9 and such. When do we hear about your bunions?

Hell with it. Forget about the insults. I just showed up to stand up for the President, whose gratuitous humilation Franklin pointed to, and which I am getting sick of. You put it out there, I'm coming in hot. That's the reason for this comment.

JdB

26.

mek

July 23, 2005, 5:53 PM

jdb - your approach does not seem to work for you. there is really no pot here to stir. better to use your energy elsewhere - in a venue more suitable to your cause.

27.

oldpro

July 23, 2005, 6:08 PM

Jerome, you are something...

I did not "grunt and groan like grandpa". I just said that the equipment I use doesn't do the job. I know it is my fault. But you need to get your digs in, I guess.

And thanks for the ageist remark. I haven't had one in several days

No, I would not do such a thing if it threatened my job. I also would not do it if did not threaten my job.

28.

Kathleen

July 23, 2005, 8:12 PM

The President needs you, Jerome. I urge you to stand up for him often, and as publicly as possible.

29.

oldpro

July 23, 2005, 8:16 PM

Kathleen, doesn't the poor guy have enough problems as it is?

I mean Bush, of course.

30.

Elizabeth

July 23, 2005, 9:42 PM

Well it looks like Jerome got his wish...all eyes and comments on him!!

31.

ahab

July 24, 2005, 2:52 AM

Damn, I tried. I really tried not to respond. I erased two potential comments, went away, drank some mead, had some crab, and came back. At least anything I type now can no longer be considered reactionary.

Jerome, were your comments not so inflammatory they would not be treated like the tantrum-induced ravings of a child. Even so, your cause received a surprisingly sympathetic ear (and treatment) from nearly every commentor in the past couple of days.

Were you not so quick to immediately denounce attempts to come to terms with scope of the topic you would not be spoken to like a punk teenager. And yet, there were again comments of support from at least three people.

Had you affirmed comments which were defending your stance rather than scrambling to find yet another point of egregious contention you would not in the end have been written off as a looney. Whatever persuasive capital you started with you have hopelessly squandered.

Words are obviously your chosen game, you have yet to learn how to use them to your advantage.

32.

Elizabeth

July 24, 2005, 7:39 AM

Ahab; ten points for trying hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa; I needed a good laugh thanks!! Your definetly on the list of invites to coffee just for this hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

33.

Kathleen

July 24, 2005, 11:41 AM

Hm. Maybe I should clarify. I don't like the President. He and Jerome deserve each other.

I don't support either one of them, but I'm not going to act like a rabid, foaming ass just to match tone.

Ahab, where did you get the mead? I haven't had any in ages!

34.

ahab

July 24, 2005, 12:16 PM

The mead was the final 6-year-old homebrewed bottle of a friend who is leaving us for PhD studies in musicology at Yale. Last night he threw a New England clam bake, prairie-style. I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

35.

mek

July 24, 2005, 12:24 PM

agree with kathleen's comments, esp bush part. so hard not to go there - hard to hold back.
- - also my friend makes a mean honey mead but it only goes down easy in front of a very large camp fire with a burning effigy (perhaps bush)?

36.

oldpro

July 24, 2005, 12:26 PM

After suffcient mead the impossibility of a New England clambake on the Canadian prairie probably didn't matter any more.

I can't imagine it, but then you probably can't remember it.

37.

oldpro

July 24, 2005, 12:32 PM

Let us know if you see that burning Bush, MEK. I want to know if the Voice tells you how to lead us out of Egypt into the Land of Milk and honey.

38.

Elizabeth

July 24, 2005, 12:36 PM

Oldpro: it wont be a day less then 40 years........and is this now a political blog thanks to J.??

39.

oldpro

July 24, 2005, 12:46 PM

More biblical than political at this point. Jerome, true to his namesake, should stay out in the desert and complain where no one can hear him.

40.

jake

July 25, 2005, 10:11 AM

to the initial subject:

yeah, she should have gotten fired, sounds like she was pretty irresponsible for not mentioning or clearing this, and ignorant for not knowing what she was getting into. The D show only looks for a laugh and that at the expense of the interviewed, to be made a mockery of, no matter what the issue is. And, anyhow, this work was illustrative, something could easily have gotten in some other, more mass produced medium, if this was the intention of the interview. It just seemed like such a dumb move with very predictable outcomes.

and as for the turn in the comments by jerk wood, why do you comment? do you want attention, if so, what kind of attention? Do you want people to not like you? do you rationalize this as being misunderstood, too deep for such shallow people? do you feel somehow victimized and feel you must lash out at everyone?, even those who might have sympathized with you had you not proved to be so hard headed.

Since i can not find a bio on jerk wood, i cannot confirm wood's cubanness, but even as a sympathizer, this comment goes(direct comment);

You do a great injustice to this "cuban" effort. Simply put you act like a jerk. What's worse is that you act like an intellectual jerk that thinks he knows more, or that what he knows is more valuable than what anyone else knows. And hey, if thats the case, if what you know made you like you are, then hey, maybe you are the problem that needs to be solved. Think about that one. If you are a representative of your cause, then you better think a bit more about the presentation. If the argument is: i am this way in response the abuse, then realize you have become an abuser. Try, in all truth, try to see this, even if you dont agree, try to see how this may be true. You might be surprised to see that, aside from the variation on your name, this is not a jest to make fun, it is an effort to make this interaction constructive. And even your namesake has a role in this effort.

And, for gods sake, stop trying to decide what is best for everyone else. You simply are not sensitive or wise enough to decide this. This is the root of the problem. Someone else is trying to do this(FC), and except for a few kinks, does very well (track record) in accomplishing set goals. What is in common here is the humanness of the issue, their is no humanness in the issue. So, whatever, i have read your comments, and you are angry, probably all the time, and are actually quite content with it, it seems you think you are strong because of this, but, in new agey terms, you are quite afraid.

But what the hell, it seems that if you were not here to make these comments, you would be missed in a sado-maso way.

41.

jake

July 25, 2005, 11:01 AM

And jeeez

whats with the "present president" comment. how many implications are there?

I'll leave it alone, because i can see the "stuff" going on here, and dont need this. Besides....................... hanker for grudges.

can i propose a topic?

well, i sell this site quite a bit as a local site. I know critical miami is probably by namesake, more of a sell, but the format does not agree with me(more like news, difficult to contribute, forum is low)(visually very distracting)(yes franklin, that was actually an indirect praise to your design)(sorry alesh). So to get to my point-........well, most of the people i sell it to, tell me about the lack of critical support for the local. By support i dont mean approval or outright praise. I mean establishing criteria. We all know what the "big" guys are doing. it is covered somewhere. With objex gone(kindof an ALLEGED GALLERY(NYC) type of place where there was serious "mingling" going on) and ignoremagazine.com seems to be getting too much namesake(plus, no forum), i feel the sense of the local (that is, you only know about it if you are local) is lost. He we are tackling local issues like museum curatorship, and stardom, and an overview of local exhibitions, without having the "you had to be there" feeling.

What am i asking?what am i proposing?intangibly, to get local. Tangibly, well i guess researching tradition here would be a nice start. Personally, in pop tradition i see bright colors and tropical imports. I know this has inspired a lot of landscape and still life work. I know this was a hot retirement crowd with a taste of extremely wealthy snowbirds. I know this allowed for the experimentation facilitated by relaxation(mostly evidenced in architecture) and that the european influence to all of this profound. This isn't much, but as i have figured it, these are local influential tendencies that are being neither accepted or rejected, just not recognized at all. Sadly, the only figure making something in this tradition is britto, and i have tried to have an objective conversation about this various times without getting completely invisible for not. I am not praising him vacuosly, there is something to look at here, just not the surface. it is the responsibility to look at something and figure out the engine that compels me. If the end of diffusing it also seems like a more noble cause, then again, art of war states-know your enemy.

So, local?

42.

mek

July 25, 2005, 12:08 PM

yes local - waiting and hoping for something to gel. i am with you...

43.

mek

July 26, 2005, 12:36 PM

i am not even in a local in the strictest sense here. i have only been here for a bit more than a year, but then again, i seem to have the outsiders viewpoint. in the sense that i barely get in on any of the dramas, but i know about em quite well.

i know making an effort to do something local always has a contrived feeling to it, but it does not have to. it is more of a realize what you are doing and why you are doing it here in particular. It is more of a retrospective that is consciously observed by more than just yourself. this is where the critics role comes in.

the critic is neccesarily more famous than the artist .(butremember, without artist, no critic) what they are doing is meant to be distributed, and have this distribution on a regular basis. This is where creating the buzz begins resonating, someone willing to talk about someone else. (note, not about the work, the person)(whole other point)(ask me)

so if you want to do something local-show me yours and i ll show you mine

44.

jake

July 26, 2005, 12:38 PM

oops-sorry the last post was actually by me, Jake, but i dont know, racing against time here, so, again sorry mek for putting words in your name

45.

Matty

July 27, 2005, 7:19 PM

Re jake post #40

Jerk Wood... good one... took me a while... my french is a little rusty.

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